scroll up a few lines and you'll see i acknowledged the mistake and apologized. maybe i should have read your post first.
i guess that Cat4MaxPayne guy was right...you are a moron.
don
John Z ([email protected]) spewed:
Dude;
There were 249 entrants, most of whom are among the best hillclimbers in the North East. This is gthe last post for me, its not worth my time getting into arguements with idiots who can't or won't check the facts.
You and Victor are in a Catagory all amongst yourselves. I hope you are proud.
enthusiasts, or snoots?
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 7:30pm
#51
"""idiots""?"
Tue, 11/04/2003 - 7:29am
#52
The Best Of, or The Rest Of?
"Ummm... how does one quantify that the 249 entrants were ""among the best hillclimbers in the North East""? Is there some sort of hillclimbers ranking system?
And the fact that any USCF-licensed racer could lose their license for competing in an unsanctioned event would seem to pretty much eliminate the Cream of the Crop, no?
"
Tue, 11/04/2003 - 7:42am
#53
Maybe all the 7up, Saturn, Prime Alliance, and Navigator riders didn't wear their team jersey that day. :-)
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 10:12am
#54
More to Come
Excerpted from “Training and racing using a power meter: an Introduction” by Andrew R. Coggan, Ph.D:
“However, while theoretically sound the use of HR to quantify training intensity does have certain practical limitations. One is that although HR is closely correlated with exercise intensity in a laboratory-type setting, this relationship is not nearly as strong while cycling outdoors. This is due to the wide variety of factors that can influence HR during exercise. For example, altitude, heat, hydration, recent illness or infection, lack of sleep, and large fluctuations in power output (e.g., in a group ride setting, or in hilly terrain) all tend to increase HR during exercise at a given intensity, whereas acute overreaching has the opposite effect.
Because of such factors, the actual demands imposed by training can differ considerably between workouts or between individuals even if HR or relative HR is kept the same. Moreover, since HR responds relatively slowly to changes in exercise intensity, HR monitoring cannot be used to regulate the intensity of shorter efforts, such as brief intervals aimed at enhancing anaerobic capacity or sprints designed to increase neuromuscular power.
Finally, it must be kept in mind that HR is not a direct determinant of performance, but is simply a reflection of the strain imposed on the cardiovascular system by the exercise. (This last point is seemingly often overlooked, as demonstrated by the frequency with which coaches and athletes emphasize the need to minimize HR during exercise, when in fact the true goal is to maximize performance regardless of the “cost” in terms of HR.) Thus, while HR monitoring can be useful for detecting training-induced changes in cardiovascular fitness (i.e., maximal oxygen uptake, or VO2max), it will generally be insensitive to changes in other key determinants of performance, most importantly the rider’s metabolic fitness, i.e., their lactate threshold (LT).”
The above limitations can be avoided by directly measuring the rider’s actual power output. Compared to measuring speed or HR, measuring power has the advantage of providing both a direct and immediate answer to the question “how hard am I working?”
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 12:03pm
#55
John Zoo, why don't you show up in a race with your SRAM power crank? :-) Cat 5? Since everyone starts from the beginning. I gotta see this. :-) Everyone will laugh so hard they have to neturalize the entire field. :-) Hahahaha....
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 12:01pm
#56
Don, obviously John zoo is a moron. For a recreational cyclist like himself, power training is pointless. He will be laughed at in a cat 5 race with a SRM power crank. :-) You only see few cat 2 and cat 1 racing using the power crank. Watch out for him. He may throw a bunch of numbers at you to make himself worthy. In reality, he is probably placed at the bottom of the barrel in the race. This is ridiculous. :-)
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 12:31pm
#57
dude, i don't know you...
...and i don't know john. i do know i don't like people calling me names, so don't do that to john.
don
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 1:07pm
#58
Moron?
"Victor Max;
For someone with such a poor command of the English language and apparent inability to read or comprehend, I would be careful labeling others as ""moron."" Let me restate what I wrote earlier and you failed to comprehend. Not all who race participate in your limited definition of a race, and not all who race seek an nonobjective Cat rating as a measure of their personal improvement. For what I like to do, and for what my goals are, my tools and methods are accepted. Instead of being laughed at, after the last two races in which I participated quite a few were very interested in learning about power-based training and racing. I will not bore you with numbers."
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 8:39am
#61
Cyclist's Training Bible
Joe Friel's book contains an updated publication, 3rd edition, earlier this year. While I don't have a personal copy of this edition, I do have the 2nd edition.
In the 2nd ed., he alluded to power meter usage. His comments were brief as at the time the SRM power meter was just coming into the fold (and the other power meters, i.e. hub and chain res. varieties did not exist at the time). He expressed interest in such technology.
I'd speculate to say releasing the 3rd edition was primarily motivated by the acceptance and maturity of power meters in used in training today. I'm sure the new release contains other updates as well, too.
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 5:45pm
#62
Race? Huh?
"John-Boy, there is just ONE race sactioning body in this sport, and that's the USCF/USPRO.
These so-called ""races"" you ""compete"" in ain't nuthin' but a Sunday Ride in the Park. Save it for your Mom, OK?
You can kid yourself with this ""many facets of racing"" stuff, but everyone from me up to Lance ain't buying it.
Either pin on a number, or get yourself a Bike NY vest."
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 7:37pm
#63
You're talking through your hat...
An uphill bikerace is as tough as you want to make it. Some do it like the 5BBT but others acutally race it. And when you blow up it ain't pretty. There is no peleton to pace yourself in, just you and the clock. Isn't that basically what the TdF comes down to; who is best in the hills. And it is closer to a time trial as well than your racing. These are aerobic events, just like marathon racing. It's just you, your capacity, the hill and a clock. It's only Mickey Mouse if you are.
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 7:50pm
#64
Oh man, are we comparing apple and apple seeds here??? The pros in the Tour have to ride over several mountain passes in a single mountain stage. They get to the decisive col after having ridden some 100 miles. WhiteFace mountain race is only 8 miles long. These guys didn't even have to race to the foot of the mountain at all. They were all there to begin with. You are kidding yourself if you and John think that you are like the pros ridding the Tour. The pros started their careers like we do. Racing at the amaturer level and up. Get real!!!!! Damn man, you guys are delusional.
Tue, 11/04/2003 - 5:03am
#65
I'm out of this..
Talk about Pros, you need professional help.
Tue, 11/04/2003 - 6:57am
#66
re: professional help
hee hee
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 7:54pm
#67
Here is a REAL mountain race.
http://www.crca.net/races03/harriman.htm
Looking forward to it. :-)
Fri, 10/31/2003 - 1:03pm
#68
I like riding my MTB on road all year round
It’s comfortable, beefy, and the view is better. Of course you’ll have a heavier bike, catch more wind, and people mumble about you.
Speed and strength is relative, I can be the strongest rider on my MTB one day, and be barely hanging on w/ my road bike with a different group of people.
I agree with Hank that it’s more important how you ride, than what you ride. Because you’re riding with others in traffic on sometimes very narrow roads, it’s essential that one ride in a smooth and predictable fashion. Some members / leaders never get this or they don’t know that they’re erratic. So ride what ever you want, as long as you can keep up and ride in a controlled manner. If I still had my Apollo 3 speed chopper, I ‘d ride that too.
The faster you ride the better skills you need. It doesn’t mean the faster you go, the better skills you have. Faster and stronger isn’t always the goal, I don’t think there are any pros in the club.
Most of the people that ride regularly with the club are in the 30’s and 40’s. The range of age for riders varies from 15 (a strong kid from Westchester) to people in their 70’s (possibly 80’s?)
There’s attitude and posturing on each level from insecure people (but that’s really their problem). Like everywhere else, you’ll get along with some people, and less well with others.
Helmets are not always required, but it’s a good idea. It is illegal (stiff fines) to go topless on our favorite River Road in NJ.
So bring your well-tuned MTB, and consideration and tolerance for others. But most of all– you’ve got to love to ride.
Take $24 ($21, and maybe even $16 for anti-paperites) out of your disposable income--that’s less than $2 a month. In nyc, $2 will buy you a one way MTA fare, a slice of cheese pizza, a beer from the supermarket, a few cigarettes, it's a pretty good deal.
Cheers
Fri, 10/31/2003 - 3:09pm
#69
Everyone is welcomed
If you ride safely and predictably and stay with your group, you'll find most NYCC members are friendly and welcoming. There is no club restriction on the type of bike you can bring on a club ride - including recumbents -as long as it is in good working order and does not pose undo risks to your fellow participants. Certain ride leaders, at their own discression, may impose certain restrictions on their rides, check the bulletin write-up to be sure. It's also a good idea to call the ride leader before your first club ride just to get a better idea of what to expect.
Sat, 11/01/2003 - 2:23pm
#70
Undo Risk
"Uh, Tom, Is ""undo risk"" the danger that you may forget you ever participated in a certain ride? :)"
Sat, 11/01/2003 - 2:45pm
#71
Luckily
I didn't have to pass a spelling test to be precedent ;-)
Sun, 11/02/2003 - 8:40am
#72
CAT 4? Me .. owwwww!
Hey Max Victor,
Well, it sounds like you have been hammering along – as a Cat 4 should. Good for you!! And NO, NYCC will not help you race, BUT it will teach you the basic skills of group riding, pace-lining, calling hazards, riding in-close, etc. I would not want to ride with the fast ones without some intro-training. I am grateful to the A SIG (19) for breaking me in on riding a wheel, pulling, bumping – not to mention the great routes and camaraderie.
Race? Me?? Dude – me born 1954. Do the math. Me old. I know a few Kissena Elites that allow me in their training – pace-lines and weights. I do those under-8 minute PP laps, taking my turn working up front and then dropping back. Some guys hate to let me in and seem to want to knock me down. And this is just training! I have to act like I may reach up and give THEM a shove. It gets nasty – and it’s not even a race. I’d get eaten alive in a real race. Live and learn? Crash and burn? Most riders are nice, accept me as new, if non-Cat blood, and treat me as an equal – as if I and the USCF national 2000 Gold Medalist are equal ;-)
So … I stick to jumping on the line, doing a few pulls in turn, a few attacks, counter-attacks, and then off-the-back after 3 or 4 laps. I also like to ride piano with people and chat, etc. I have friends that ride and we catch up, make plans, joke around, meet others. It is supposed to be fun – at least I think so. Remember, I have been called a C24 rider sometimes. Go figure.
But, my basic training - NYCC gave it to me. That and then some.
Sun, 11/02/2003 - 6:28pm
#73
Hahahaha.........I thought you were much younger because with the way you carry yourself and you mentioned many times that you wanted to race.
Mon, 11/03/2003 - 6:28am
#74
to Victor
Victor-
You are truly pathetic.
