Gallery of past NYCC Jerseys

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Anonymous

"From the collection of Christy Guzzetta.
Photos Jim Galante.
Designs in order by: Mike Samuels, Tony Nappi, Mike Toomey, Richard Rosenthal,
and the current design by Viviane Tubiana.
Please scroll down for photos
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Evan Marks (not verified)
Approximate vintages?

How old are they?

Never seen that first one. Carbon dating needed, mebbe.

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Ira Fogel (not verified)
Request - Lady Liberty Redux

While all the jerseys are well designed the Lady Liberty jersey is spectacular. I would love the opportunity to get one - is it possible to order a one-off from the manufacturer or how about a reprint if enough people are interested?

Ira

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Claudette (not verified)
REPRINT

Count me in for a reprint.

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Richard Rosenthal (not verified)
Liberty jersey's possible re-manufacture

"I have always appreciated the many kind comments elicited by the Liberty-in-a-Helmet jersey.

My favorite story of this jersey's popularity is this: Jay Jacobson was somewhere in the South Pacific--Pago Pago or Bora Bora or Tahiti and was wearing his Liberty jersey. A native asked Jay if he could buy it. Jay said ""no."" ...Whereupon the man escalated the offer, offering Jay a night with his sister. To Jay's credit, he still has his jersey.

I also like a picture of a woman, Shelly Farmer who, I believe, is not in the club, wearing it. In the photo, her arm is draped around a broadly smiling Lance Armstrong after the, I think, Morzine stage of the Tour de France. If you're interested in seeing it, I'll send it to you.

Early this year I posted on the message board my thought to have this jersey re-manufactured--of course, without the club name since it is not the club jersey now. I designed a more interesting sleeve graphic, again with Liberty's head, but now placed in front of a wheel so the radians of her diadem (crown) replicate the spokes. It's pretty neat and a real improvement.

Unfortunately, too few people responded to my notice some months ago to warrant going ahead with this.

I've since found a very good manufacturer who will make as few as six pieces. However, at such a small quantity, the price is very high: $90. In quantities the price will go down to c. $70 > $60 > $45.

If you're interested, contact me. I'll send you the updated design and seek from you what, if anything, you would like written on the jersey since it won't be the NYCC name. Question: Does having the name New York on it in some fashion add to the jersey's cachet? Or not? I'll write those interested in buying one thoughts I have.

I'm designing jerseys now under the name Maglia Rosenthal (I trust an obvious wordplay on the Giro's ""maglia rosa."")

If you write me, it will help me compartmentalize my brain if you will do so at:

[email protected]

...Otherwise, I will get your e-mail at the above e-address.

Or call: (212) 371-4700.

MONDAY: We now have orders for a minium number. I'll be writing those who've asked to buy one with a picture of the jersey with the new sleeve design. I'll also send an illustration of a completely different jersey design that uses Liberty. If there's enough interest, we can order both.

Thanks for your interest.

____

P.S. The Brooklyn Bridge jersey is also being updated with a great deal more image on the jersey, and made for, and with the name of Bicycle Habitat on it.

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bill vojtech (not verified)

If you think the first on'e old, I've got one that predates that one. I think it was the first jersey design for the NYCC. I'll try to get a picture of it to post.

By the way, how do you get photos to appear in posts and how do you make live links? Perhaps an instruction page could be posted?

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John Kalish (not verified)

And how did you manage to get a picture of the purple jersey without it showing the colors running all over the place? I had to dispose of that one.

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Bill Vojtech (not verified)
Found it.

It was in the Pre-Cambrian layers of my closet:

Pre-Lycra and Post-Wool, it's Acrylic.

http://www.simonjester.net/images/nycc_jersey.JPG

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Jim (not verified)

"Great Jersey, Thanks Bill. What year is it from?
Here is a live link for you.
You need a website program to write the html code.
< img src=""http://www.simonjester.net/images/nycc_jersey.JPG"" alt="""" border=""0"" >
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Bill Vojtech (not verified)

I'm not really good with dates. I joined the club in the mid-70's, I think. I'd say mid to late 70's.

If I recall, some people wanted wool, but it was too expensive for a small run, (around 100 members total). The pros may have been toying with lycra, but the early fabrics did not wick, so it was like wearing a plastic bag, so that was voted out.

The lettering was just printed on with a silkscreen process. I think the letters may have been flocked, but that washed off.

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Mordecai Silver (not verified)
Bill Vojtech: NYCC's Best-Dressed Rider

"Well, at least he was 25 years ago!

(See next to last page: http://www.nycc.org/bulletin/archive/NYCC_1981_02.pdf.)

Mordecai ""immensely enjoying these old bulletins"" Silver"

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jc (not verified)
Now that's a jersey! (nm)
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Richard Rosenthal (not verified)
A critical mass for Liberty jersey order achieved. Want one?

Enough people responded to the notice of a possible re-manufacturing of the Liberty jersey (without the club name and with a new shoulder treatment) that we will be ordering them.

If you want one (or more), contact me by 1PM, Monday, July 17.

[email protected]
(2112) 371-4700

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Evan Marks (not verified)
price & sizing?

Yes, I know it's gonna depend on the quantity ordered, but give us a ballpark idea - $60-$75, or $75-$90 ???

Not more than that, I hope.

Standard flabby American cut or skinny Euro (not for much longer, it would seem) cut?

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Richard Rosenthal (not verified)
Jersey prices: Is it hubris for me to quote from myself?

"Evan, permit me the vanity of quoting from myself, above.

""I've since found a very good manufacturer who will make as few as six pieces. However, at such a small quantity, the price is very high: $90. In quantities the price will go down to c. $70 > $60 > $45.""

At the quantity now committed, around twelve, and with the add-ons of a longer zipper and lighter weight fabric than standard, $90 is about right.

This is expensive but I've found no other manufacturer who will make so few pieces and its work is truly excellent. (I'll send those interested in buying a jersey the manufacturer's Excel price sheet so they may be assured there's not only no profiteering going on here, there's no profiting.)

There is another manufacturer who will make small quantity orders for less money, albeit it does require a somewhat larger order. More importantly for me, the ""hand"" of its fabric, to use a term of the art, isn't nearly so soft and comfortable as that first manufacturer's.

We are further limited in the possible manufacturers by the fact the jersey requires digital (and, of course, sublimation) printing of rastar (photographic) art as opposed to vector (line/illustration/solid color) art (which is what 99% of jerseys use). While an increasing number of jersey manufacturers have recently added the capability of producing photographic files, most still do not.

As for fit, it may be possible to have the two manufacturers I refer to here cut the order to different matrices: some relaxed, others more form-fitting as well as cut differently for men and women. My preference in a jersey, as in most things, is for COMFORT. That means a somewhat looser cut, aka in the business as a ""club cut"" rather than a ""racer's cut."" Hell, it doesn't matter to me if, at the end of a five hour ride, I'm 100 yards behind where I would be if my jersey were tighter fitting.

In line with this, I also prefer to NOT have elastic in sleeves, the better for air circulation. But, again, it may be possible to have one-off cuts so those willing to be less comfortable in the service of lower air resistance might be able to have their way.

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Will They Ever Come? (not verified)

I'm afraid I remember all too well the last time Richard was so careful about choosing a manufacturer...

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Richard Rosenthal (not verified)
Reply written into new thread (nm)
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Evan Marks (not verified)
Oops, missed that.

Musta slept thru that class ;^/



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Richard Rosenthal (not verified)
My reply to note in another thread that would be lost there.

"I seize on the pretext afforded me by the following anonymous poster in the thread about the past NYCC jerseys to vent to the club membership this long pent up, ugly story of deviousness and coarseness.

An anonymous poster wrote:

Date: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:45:41 PM
Author: Will They Ever Come?

I'm afraid I remember all too well the last time Richard was so careful about choosing a manufacturer...

_________________________________________________________


Dear Anonymous:

You are referring to the club order for the Broolyn Bridge jersey from a company named Stelvio, aka Bici Imports.

Here are things you, cloaked in your anonymity, might think to tell the club.

1. Very few, in fact almost no other manufacturers at the time were doing 4-color, digital, sublimation printing from rastar (photographic) art. In further fact, of the approximately seventeen manufacturers with whom I spoke, only one other did: it was hugely more expensive.

2. The NYCC Board of Directors approved the manufacturer prior to a contract being let with him.

3. Unknown to us, the manufacturer was in financial peril at the time he was producing our jersey. He finally went into bankruptcy. In fact, he continued to take money from other, outstanding clubs to produce their jerseys...only to end up giving them nothing in return for their money.

HOWEVER, DUE TO MY MANY MONTHS OF EFFORT, INVESTING LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF HOURS IN THIS (AND NOT AN INSUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MY OWN MONEY FOR WHICH I DIDN'T FEEL ENTITLED TO—AND DIDN'T—BILL THE CLUB), AND AS A RESULT OF MY GOING WAY BEYOND ANYTHING THAT ANYONE ELSE IN THE CLUB LIKELY COULD OR WOULD HAVE DONE TO SECURE OUR POSITION WITH THE MANUFACTURER AND HIS PRODUCTIVITY FOR OUR BENEFIT, INCLUDING DOING WORK FOR HIM GRATIS TO KEEP US IN HIS GRACE, NOT ONLY WERE OUR JERSEYS DELIVERED, BUT***WE GOT A 100% REBATE ON THEM***. LET ME SAY THAT ANOTHER WAY: WE GOT THEM COMPLETELY FREE. I THINK I'LL REPEAT THAT: THEY WERE MADE FOR US COMPLETELY FREE OF CHARGE WITH THE MEMBERS AND THE CLUB PROFITTING. (The board elected to retain the c. $15 per jersey beyond cost it charged for them.) WE GOT THAT 100% REBATE AT THE TIME THE MANUFACTURER DESPERATELY NEEDED MONEY, AND, AS I SAID, WAS TAKING MONEY FOR NEW ORDERS AND NOT PRODUCING THEM.

(A digression: As I recall, that rebate amounted to in excess of $4000 and possibly as much as $400. Earlier I had negotiated a $750 rebate to the club—which went completely to the club treasury—for the manufacture's failure to follow my instruction: specifically, he put his URL on the inside of the back of the neck. I don't know that anyone else would have taken exception to it or achieved the $750 credit.)

(A second digression:The then club president was all too tangibly willing to continue to use this manufacturer long past the time I determined to discontinue using him once we got our jerseys from him. What do I mean by ""all too tangibly""? There was a great deal of consternation over mis-fitting jerseys. Before I told him I would (and did) negotiate with the manufacturer to get them for free, the then club president expressed his willingness to pay c. $600 to the manufacturer to buy a set (all sizes)of blank jerseys for people to try on at club meetings.)

4. The manufacturer wrote a letter—I don't recall if it was to me with a copy to the club or vice versa—accepting full responsibility for his delay and absolving me of any responsibility for it.

5. So, at the end of all this, how late were they? Take a deep breath, pal. I believe the current club jersey was delivered later than were the Stelvio (Brooklyn Bridge) jerseys. Got that? LATER.

6. An addendum: I attached certain conditions to my donating my jersey design and production work for the benefit of the club and its members. Over the years, the club has made some money from my work for it, and, however immodest it is for me t"

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don montalvo (not verified)
with all due respect...

...many people have donated their time to the club without expecting any kind of compensation and without any sort of contract/agreement. that's what volunteering is all about. no editor i know of ever asked to be compensated or attached any conditions to the sale (through membership fee) of their designs. :)

don

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el jefe (not verified)
Agreements

"Don,

Of course, there's an agreement. When you were Editor, what would have happened if after many months of doing the job, the Board came to you and said ""the Bulletin format is laid out; just slot in the rides using our format and add an article on page 8. The rest is done. And from now on, please refrain from contacting the printer or mailing service. We'll deal with them now.""

Richard's jersey design was deemed the superior design. He made specific requests in exchange for allowing the club to use that design. The Board of Directors had an option to accept those conditions or to choose another designer. They elected to go with Richard. I really don't remember enough from college business law to know if that agreement is a legally binding contract, but it's an agreement none the less. If either party wants to unilaterally end the agreement, they could. The proper way would have been to notify the other party. That wasn't what happened here."

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taoiseach (not verified)

"Yes! After all you knew exactly ""what happened here"". Thanks for clearing this up. It's obvious with such absolute knoweldge you were on the board at the time, from your authoritative writing, so what kept you from contacting ""the other party""?"

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don montalvo (not verified)
tough question

"i probably wouldn't have gained so much weight. ;)

> When you were Editor, what would have happened if
> after many months of doing the job, the Board came
> to you and said ""the Bulletin format is laid out; just slot
> in the rides using our format and add an article on page
> 8. The rest is done. And from now on, please refrain from
> contacting the printer or mailing service. We'll deal with
> them now."""

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