How do you get one?
Thanks
Metro North Train Pass
Fri, 10/14/2005 - 11:31am
Fri, 10/14/2005 - 12:07pm
#1
Look here
This will get you started:
http://mta.info/mnr/html/getaways/bikerule.htm
The window at which permits are sold isn't always open, but they'll open it if you want to get one. It's a one-time fee, and the permit is good for life. I think it's $5.
Tue, 10/18/2005 - 4:47pm
#2
nm
Fri, 10/14/2005 - 11:34am
#3
Um, you go to Grand Central Station . . . .
. . . . it works like this. You give them money, they give you a bike pass.
(I'm sorry, but some of these posts kill me . . .)
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 2:21pm
#4
Um, are you a board member?
If so, do you consider yourself a representative of the club?
If yes, do you think snarky comments represent the club well? Are they an appropriate way to treat members or prospective members?
Please explain, if you do. If not, please retract and apologize.
(I'm sorry, but some of these posts by Board Members kill me . . .)
Sat, 10/15/2005 - 4:18am
#5
Not the answer one would expect from a Board Member but thankfully Mark H. e-mailed me with all the information. Thank you Mark H.
Sat, 10/15/2005 - 6:09am
#6
answer to be expected from a webmaster
"While I'm glad you received the information you received, in David's defense though, you could have easily obtained that information from the:
- mta website directly
- our website's resources
Sat, 10/15/2005 - 2:21pm
#7
That is no defense. He had the choice of a.) being helpful b.) ignoring the message altogether c.) posting a stupid response.
Hopefully he wll pick choice `b' in the future.
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 6:03am
#8
you are missing the point
"When you indicate he should be picking 'b' or any choice for that matter, you completely miss the point.
His post was a ""stupid response"" to a stupid inquiry: ""Metro North Train Pass...How do you get one?""
I'm sure you meant a bike pass, but I know it's too much trouble to search for the answer yourself (big strike for not doing so) or take the extra second or so to proof read your message on the message preview screen (among others), so please by all means shoulder the responsibility of such grievance on someone else. Have you considered what steps you may/might have taken?
Sorry for being so facetious, but this how to obtain a Metro North bike pass is posted here, like once a week or at least it seems like it. Maybe, soon enough you will get tired of reading them, too.
Consider such posts as spam much in the sense of having one of your friends (whom has newly discovering email) forwarding you jokes, daily horoscopes, recipes and chain letters that have already been forwarded many times before and one has to read past the zillion >>>>>> marks before they find the original message buried. For a ""SpamBlockerUtility"" user, that should resonate with you.
For me, I found David's response to be humorous despite the sarcasm. Consider yourself lucky. You may disagree with me and David, but there's plenty more in line, in this *public* space to contend with. Others may be more vocal and less civil.
Right or wrong, it's quite common for one to be flamed for such big or small or whatever indiscretion. I'm sure others can attest to witnessing such frequently, too.
Swimming upstream, against the tide is no fun. Next time do a search. It's just my 2 cents of netiquette advice."
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 11:47am
#9
Who's missing the point here?
"Robert's ""stupid inquiry?"" Critizing the word train instead of bike in the subject? Snarky, unnecessary replies from board members? (Thanks, Dave! Good press for the club! Join us, so we can mock you! Because we know how to get bike passes! And not call them train passes! Aren't we funny?)
If you're really tired of reading posts regarding bike passes, why click on them? Seriously, why? So you can then complain about reading them? Does that make sense?
Robert, glad you got the answer. You also got a bonus, realizing that many times NYCC'er stands for New York Cynical C'cksucker. Do what the sensible rider does when getting such a reply from a board member; don't join or just don't renew."
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 12:26pm
#10
the point of the club is....
"... to promote group rides.
If they like group rides, a ""sensible"" rider will act in their self-interest, join the club, and ride their bike.
Reading/posting to the message board and being amused, irritated, educated, or distracted is optional.
Judging the nature of your riding experience or riding companions by the tenor of the message board is not sensible.
"
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 1:12pm
#11
Fair points Mr Meyer, but ...
group ride promotion is not the singular goal of the club.
Regardless, my beef remains: sarchastic comments by board members on this message board does not encourage new membership. Nor does it show the club in the best light. It is inappropriate. Robert was correct.
Prospective members may not be as rational as you - no need to alienate them.
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 12:30pm
#14
Troll (nm)
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 2:15pm
#15
Troll? Moi?
"I must be on the right track when you resort to name-calling, Sir.
""By your own admission the title of the thread is incorrect. How are we suppose to know before clicking?""
Ah ha. So, the 'incorrect' title was really what bothered you? You thought it was a thread about train passes, and were disappointed to find out that it was actually about bike passes? Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
""You are way off base with the ""tired of reading"" line.""
How so? It was yours: '... this how to obtain a Metro North bike pass is posted here, like once a week or at least it seems like it. Maybe, soon enough you will get tired of reading them, too.'
The Reader can infer from this that you are tired of reading posts about obtaining bike passes. (Although you weren't expecting a post about bike passes, were you? You were lured by an incorrect title titillating you with a discussion regarding train passes, right?)
Now, if you are so tired about reading bike pass posts, what is the best course of action?
a) Don't click on them and read them.
b) Click on them. Read them. In free time, post 300 word essay complaining about having to read them.
""What's not to be critical? He wasn't the least bit concillatory in his reply.""
He had no need to be conciliatory; he was concise and correct. Take your own sage advice, Sir, namely to 'take the extra second or so to proof read your message.' If you had, perhaps you may have noticed that
1. 'What's not to be critical?' does not make any sense.
2. Concillatory is not a word.
3. Irregardless is not a word.
4. 'How are we suppose [sic] to know before clicking?' You meant 'supposed,' supposedly.
5. 'proof read your message.' Proofread is one word. (That was a funny one, Mr O'Reilly. My favorite, I think.)
""Selfish and silly me for replying.""
Yes. Thank you.
My point remains. Mr Sabberese's comment was not only 'Not the answer one would expect from a Board Member,' it was inappropriate. Mr Sabberese is not any old mook posting here. Mr Sabberese is a board member. Mr Sabberese represents the club.
He represents it poorly.
Robert was correct."
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 2:30pm
#16
Troll (nm)
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 3:22pm
#17
Then I want you to waste time? And you're obliging me? Why?
"""Furthermore, you are not even a member of the club.""
I know. I'm the one who just told you that. It should have been clear from my first post.
Membership in the club, and one's contributions thereof, are irrelevant to my main point. You think Mr Sabbarese's comments were appropriate. I do not.
As regarding trolls, Im clearly the sucker who got trolled here. Kudos."
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 7:57am
#18
David did pick 'a'
The information David gave you is correct. If you go to Grand Central there is a window where you can buy the pass.
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 1:21pm
#19
"Well you did ask where and how.
In any case david is one of the most outgoing and dedicated Ride leader I have met.
Besides he is really GREAT AT CHANGING FLATS.
Live long and prosper... then get the train pass.
I am sure the next question will be...""When can I use the pass"".
Perhaps a good add on to this board would be a section called frequently asked questions and how to do a search.
Many boards have them and it saves repetitive questions.
Then again, if we all had a ""real"" life we would never be here.
Rob"
Sun, 10/16/2005 - 6:27pm
#22
from a NYCC member lurker
"Well, speaking on behalf of the NYCC members who lurk (read but don't post), you all need to lighten up....
For crying out loud, the dude asked an innocent question about the pass, as many of us less experienced bikers are wont to do.
Either be helpful (everyone + board members too) or take it to Craig's List ""Rants and Raves.""
- Have fun, Just Bike"
Mon, 10/17/2005 - 4:26am
#23
Good news
On Saturday morning I was able to get a `Bike Pass' from window 27 at GCS in time to join the group ride headed up by Wayne. Thank you Wayne for a wonderful ride that I probably should have not attended. It made the MS 100 that much more difficult the following day!
Remember all clubs need new members to survive and these new members will have the same dull, boring quesions that have been asked since the clubs inception. These questions were probably the same questions that you asked yourself way back when.
Mon, 10/17/2005 - 3:30pm
#24
better yet?
"""Stupid"" questions from ""clueless"" beginers and newcomer to New York provides the window of opportunity for newly minted club member to respond and feel they've done something useful to help the cycling community! Showing the club in good light notwithstanding.
By labeling these questions ""TOO STUPID TO WARRANT AN ANSWER"", they make the helpers feel small, their efforts wasted. And they would hesitate to contribute further in the future. Pretty soon, the message board would become nothing more than a chat room for the hardcore ""inner circle"" to talk to each other, without any ""interruption"" from stupid questions from clueless beginners!
I've seen at least one other cycling board went down that road. I hope NYCC's message board doesn't follow that route.
"
Mon, 10/17/2005 - 4:59pm
#25
my last word
"The original poster introduced the word ""stupid"" in this thread; notably that of a stupid response. Your response is anything but stupid. It's the only intelligent (counter) response taking to task what I've written.
The original poster could have simply gone directly to the source to get his information. Why would you trust a 3rd party's information when you have immediate access to the original source? I posed this question several times and it's yet to be answered.
You may want to throw into the equation of wasted efforts that of: building search functionailty and placing such content of interest on the website. Those items just didn't magically appear on the website. Or the time spent by folks repeatedly reading such inquiries.
This question has repeatedly come up here on this message board. One person was vocal about it and I'm sure there's many more who feel the same way, but did not want to respond. Additionally, that very specific, perfunctory inquiry really does not lend itself to a ""chat"" or of any material benefit other than to the original poster who is perhaps is too lazy (my *guess*, see 2nd [edit] paragraph) to look such information up in the first place and get immediate and accurate feedback.
Please show me one other cycling board or board in general that does _never_ provides a response to search the board or google, etc. Really, please tell. I'd like to know.
There's only 4.5 million google hits on netiquette usage, including that of using public boards. In there you will find plenty of comments about searching before posting.
Maybe tomorrow, and each successive week I'll start a new thread on the club being listed in the yellow pages, is Rte 6 safe for riding or better yet asking how's the weather. I'm sure you and the other two (ok make that 3) other people will still be around to tell us how the weather is or how to buy a train ticket. Will that be an ""inner circle"" or a triangle?
"
Tue, 10/18/2005 - 7:47am
#26
This is incredible and frankly, as a member, it sickens to read the rants of Mr. O'Reilly.
The purpose of the board, as I see it, is to seek help/advice from your peers. I read Robert's well meant question and was glad to see that at least two helpful members assisted him without judgement.
David's comments were unnecessary and he has since disclosed the fact that he was having a bad day. Peter, your vilification of Suomynona on pointing this out is, in my opinion, disgusting. If you are a member yourself, you should be embarrassed; I am embarrassed for you.
Tue, 10/18/2005 - 9:08am
#27
what color is your kettle?
Whose vilifying who? While you are at it, please share your disgust, pontification and embarrassement at Robert's reply to David or Suomynona's 99.9% pure, unadulterated cavil remarks. They passed plenty of judgement, but if it makes you feel better then by all means I'll shoulder all of the responsibility - something notably lacking with the other's posts.
Peter
P.S. Are we done yet?
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 10:10am
#28
Good examples (with perfect timing)
"""Maybe tomorrow, and each successive week I'll start a new thread on the club being listed in the yellow pages, is Rte 6 safe for riding or better yet asking how's the weather.""
I didn't read the Route 6 question until you mentioned it. As it turns out, it's very educational for me, the different way of getting to Bear Moutnain bridge!
Moreover, I saw a thread asking how to get to GW bridge! I thought to myself ""great! just the perfect STUPID question that's been asked every single week (REALLY, as everyone on this board notices)!"" I didn't read it until it got many replies. Guess what? There ARE more than one way to get up to GWB than THE way from River Side Drive!!! How many NYCC members knows all of them? How many would like to have those other options? If we all get togather and discourage such stupid questions from coming all the time, I would never knew about those other approaches!
""I'm sure you and the other two (ok make that 3) other people will still be around to tell us how the weather is or how to buy a train ticket. Will that be an ""inner circle"" or a triangle?
Peter, I think you didn't really get my point. Do you think if you don't answer those questions, no one will?
By ignoring those routine questions, the ""old timers"" actually allow the newer members to do their part in helping the even greener newbies! But by hinting (or directly pointing out) these questions are not worth your time to answer, you're really telling whoever answered the question that THEY ARE NOT COOL ENOUGH!"
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 10:44am
#29
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I could get a good bike fit...
:)
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 11:07am
#30
Here's a challenge
"The Route 6 thread is indeed interesting as well as the GWB thread. I'd be willing to bet the house it be less so if a new thread for said topic was started each ~successive~ (w/ additional emphasis this time) week and repeated in perpetuity.
How to buy a train ticket is like asking what is 1 plus 1. That's quite perfunctory and having such question come up time and time again is well.... beating a dead horse. Did I mention that information is readily available on our website? The answer is there if one is willing to look.
The original poster is just as guilty, if not more so than David, with his indignant follow-up response. It could have been much better served with a little bit of humor and humility, in my opinion. (I only raised the issue after such response. New members v. old members or some where in between - reciprocity is a two way street.
If you don't think the ~repeated~ posting of the ""how to buy a train ticket"", err check that, ""how to buy a Metro North bike permit"" is not the online equivalent of kids traveling by car asking, ""Are we there yet?"", I’ll prove it to you.
Provide me a link with one or more forums/message boards. It’s your choice. I'll post a simple question that has been asked repeatedly already. (I'll know so because I will SEARCH for such content). I'd be willing to bet that I will be flamed like a sirloin steak over a charcoal grill.
Afterwards, I’ll then post the links to such msg board responses here. If that’s not impartial enough and does not drive home the point completely, then I do not know what else could possibly be.
"
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 2:46pm
#31
What does it prove?
"""Provide me a link with one or more forums/message boards. It’s your choice. I'll post a simple question that has been asked repeatedly already. (I'll know so because I will SEARCH for such content). I'd be willing to bet that I will be flamed like a sirloin steak over a charcoal grill.""
Just because a similar message will get flamed on other boards doesn't make it the best way to behave on a message board.
So it proves the other boards have members as juvinile as this one, or we as a group are as childish as the average population. At best, it proves we're no lower than the lowest denominator on the net!
"
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 5:41pm
#32
You are correct
"Asking how to buy a train pass is juvenile much like asking someone to do your homework for you. The fact that such behavior is not tolerated anywhere else universally underscores such action is not favorable.
Sure there are many folks that have a different opinion than I, but there are also many who share my view and only a few who dare to be so outspoken. I'm not running for office this Tuesday, so there's no need for me to be politically correct.
Anyway, some will flame while others will tell them politely why such posts hamper the enjoyment for the rest of the message board community.
If I want to really hamper your experience here, I could have popup ads thrown in your face constantly. They wouldn't be pop-up ads per se, but rather reminders about where you could obtain a metro north bike pass, where to find the club by-laws or even where to find the msg brd FAQ. To make it that much more irritating, I'll do so by pulling out of retirement Mr Clippy (the old Microsoft Office ""help"" popup).
Do you think that would really be reasonable and necessary? Of course not. All of that information is already present on our website including the Metro North bike pass.
In turn, is it not unreasonable to voice displeasure with such activity? For those who do think it is unreasonable, look closely at their responses and tell me what's wrong with this picture.
Remembering all clubs need new members to survive is nice, but what does that really mean when there's already 1,6000 members. How many of them do you ever see at the boathouse or at Annie Moore's?
One look at the message board's ""activity"" statistics and I do not see any evidence of your concern about an ""inner circle"" developing. I see colorful rectangles there, but no circles (which is hard to do with HTML, btw). If we required you to login to use the message board, that surely would be a likely possibility.
-Peter ""filibuster"" Libby
"
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 7:20pm
#33
one too many zeros?
"""what does that really mean when there's already 1,6000 members. ""
If the club indeed have sixteen thousand members, I would agree there's no need to recruit, even need to split it apart. But with 1,600 members, that's about right around the critical mass. With the rather great mobility of the city, hence our member, the club NEEDS new members!
I've been away from the city for a few years. When I return, I didn't hesitate to re-join. But now I'm having doubt about re-newing next season. The message board is merely the tip of the iceberg. I did not see too many of the old familiar faces I used to know. And I also felt the club has gotten too ""hardcore"" for me. 2005 season, I only did about 20% of my riding with the club, while I used to do about 50-60% of my rides with the club before my absence from NYC. And when I finally tracked down some of my old riding buddies, they too, had moved on, either out of the city or developed other interested besides cycling. Somehow, there's an impression to me, and to some of my buddies, the club, especially SOME of its board, do NOT feel the club should cater to these less than hardcore riders...
Look at the ride listings, how many A and fast B rides vs how few C to middle B rides??? And on the message board, how often are questions slammed as stupid? No wonder. Right here and now, one of the board member publicly states that the club had no need to attract new members, period.
I think the time is right that I should just stop posting on this board, and ride off into the sunset (or ride off to the suburb). There's no need to look back, for there's not much left to look at..."
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 5:03am
#34
once again
"That's correct - 1,600.0 members give or take. (Quibbling over an extra zero when it's very clear what I mean is petty and weak.) And what # of them appear at the boat house each week - not many. And really so what? Does anyone really take issue with this? No.
You draw your own conclusions. As for the need not to attract new members, I never stated such, those are your negative words which are consistent with the negative theme in your responses.
People come and go as you just mentioned. Membership has steadily grown over the years - all without the benefit of any concerted effort in advertising or marketing.
If you think the club is too ""hardcore"", then what's your excuse for not leading B and C rides? You've been living , riding, and participating in club rides here in NYC for quite some time. Additionally, there's a couple of open board positions. Someone else has already publicly ask why you haven't considered running. If that still does not suit you, then there's the 5BBC.
As for ""how often are questions slammed as stupid?"" I'd say very infrequently. Even this example, the orginal poster was 1st and quick to slam another for a stupid response. If you don't think ""how to buy a train pass?"" isn't stupid , well what more can I say. But that's not the real issue. It's all about the frequency.
By the way he never identified himself as a ""new member"" in his post. There's plenty of long standing club members that have never taken a train out of the city. Furthermore, this board is open to nonmembers, too. Of course you know that, but don't let that stop you from believing an inner circle is developing.
Please provide some other stupid question slam examples here. You are very light on the details. It might strengthen an already weak argument.
And whether the question is stupid or not is really not the underlying issue. Continually throwing the ""stupid question"" trump card on the table deflects from discussing the real issued raised.
"
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 6:20am
#35
MY last word
"""Remembering all clubs need new members to survive is nice, but what does that really mean when there's already 1,6000 members. ""
""As for the need not to attract new members, I never stated such""
That's right. You never stated the club NEED NOT to attract new members, only that there's NO NEED to do so. Yes, there's a VERY subtle difference between the two and I give your credit for meaning exactly what you typed.
""If you think the club is too ""hardcore"", then what's your excuse for not leading B and C rides? You've been living , riding, and participating in club rides here in NYC for quite some time. ""
I will if I stay involve in the club.
I've been away for several years and some of the routes changed. Others I don't remember quite well enough to lead. That's precisely half of the reason why new member come at all, to learn routes. Once they got familiar with the city, they could ride on their own. Or if they like the people and the riding style of the club, they stay and lead rides. I guess I'll be the former this second time around since the later attraction is definitely no longer quite true as before.
""Someone else has already publicly ask why you haven't considered running.""
Whoever that ""someone else"" didn't ask ME. Or I would gladly provide the detail of the constrain that prevents me from serving on the board. I would be more than happy to lead rides. That is, if I continue to ride with the club, which doesn't look very likely.
""If that still does not suit you, then there's the 5BBC.""
Why must one belong to ANY club? Or why does that have to be a city club? There're plenty of people to ride with, now that I have recovered my route memory.
I had stated yesterday that I should no longer post on this forum. But since you ask ME personal question, I'm providing an answer. However, I won't continue the thread on whether stupid question needs stupid answer any more."
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 6:37am
#36
?
"""...too ""hardcore"" for me...""
I was just thinking things were getting too soft. Doesn't stop me from leading a ride, even if only one or two others show."
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 6:43am
#37
What's your excuse?
">>Whoever that ""someone else"" didn't ask ME.
I'm referring to this:
http://www.nycc.org/mb/SearchResults.aspx?B=1&TP=1#Msg21590
Maybe he didn't ask, but you still have not provided a response. Oh and one of the positions open is VP of Rides. What better position for someone like yourself to take up given the concerns you have presented.
By the way, theres a really nice scenic and leisure B ride held this afternoon in Liberty State Park. I highly recommend it.
If that does not suit your fancy, I'm leading a C13 ride Nov 6th. It's only 20 or so miles and if you get lost you wont be far from a subway.
Peter ""hardcore A rider"" Libby"
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 5:50pm
#38
Revisionism
Sir, why did you delete your earlier posts?
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 8:14pm
#39
Your link doesn't work!
"""Maybe he didn't ask, but you still have not provided a response""
As such, no one has asked.
Or did you? But you didn't. You merely passed the information that ""someone"" did (but it seems maybe he did not, after all.).
With such merky and round about way of ""asking"" (or not asking), I have every reason to be equally merky and round about with my ""response""!"
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 8:36pm
#40
try this + related messages
Thu, 10/20/2005 - 8:35pm
#41
members
The New York Cycle Club membership currently stands at over 1800 persons. Speaking for many on the Board and in the Club we love new members and all club members are welome to participate as much or as little as they choose and at the level that suits them. As with any Club how strong we are as an organization depends on those members willing to volunteer to help run the various activities and jobs. There are no paid positions in the New York Cycle Club. It is unrealistic and unnessary to expect all members to volunteer but it would certainly be great if more did. Its difficult at times finding ride leaders as well as filling positions on the Board.
April-before you leave the Club perhaps you'd consider being part of the solution & help correct some of the things you feel are a problem. We are always happy to have an offer of good and constructive help.
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 10:42am
#42
Foot in Mouth
"""If you are a member yourself...""
Mr. O'Reilly is the board."
Mon, 10/17/2005 - 6:19am
#43
I learned my lesson. . .
. . . when you're having a bad day, it's better just to stay to stay on the sidelines and not get snarky. I have not read any of the posts past the 3rd or 4th one, suffice to say I wished I'd kept my mouth shut!
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 9:01am
#44
Tch tch!
"Children, children! How often do I have to tell you to play nicely?
Go to your rooms. You're all grounded for the weekend. No ice cream for any of you. No bicycling, either. Try it and I might put a curse on the weather.
""Bad children go to bed hungry.""
--Milda the Witch
Your Pal,
Etoain Shrdlu"
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 11:25am
#45
Joy kill
"I hate when there is a nice donnybrook on the board and someone comes along in the guise of a ""grown-up"" to tell people to stop the thread, to get along, to make nice (it always seems to happen). Screw that. They are just words.
This thread has been quite enjoyable, kind of like Rove/Libby/Cheney/Frist/DeLay (starring Robert as Joe Wilson, with Dave S. and Peter O. as Rove and Libby). So all you conciliators out there, if you don't like it, if you can't handle a little conflict - tune out. But please don't stifle the free speech, even when it is petty, even when it is unpleasant for some."
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 11:42am
#46
Rove, Libby, Who?
"It takes a total moron and idiot to watch this stupid namecalling and think it's cool.You'd probably enjoy a movie of bicycle riders getting run over and crushed by Sherman Tanks, too, you jerk.
You are subhuman. You are a sub-idiot. Bend over, wimp. You're askin' for it.
""Be careful what you wish for. You might get it""
--Kliban the prison guard
Your Pal,
Etoain Shrdlu"
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 12:07pm
#47
Chris O's Comment
But at least we know who he is and he is hardly a moron...
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 1:47pm
#48
spookY ironY
"JZ, - agreed.
""Rove, Libby, Who?""...of course Etu knows...those folk who like shaking up hornets nest and exposing people's cover.
Peter ""no leaks here"" Libby
"
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 1:48pm
#49
You're right John. I might be an idiot but I am no moron.
Wed, 10/19/2005 - 12:49pm
#50
Shrdlu's Folly
"Once again, Shrdlu appears; first, with pathetic adolescent wit, to revitalize an unfortunate thread, and then to compound it, with the same behavior that (s)he allegedly decries.
Shrdlu frequently refers to placing a ""curse"" on people. In that, (s)he has succeeded - his/her presence is a curse on the whole of the NYCC message board and its participants.
"
