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So anyone know where to get good seats?

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markshelby (not verified)

"I looked into this after a study came out a little over a year ago. One thing I noticed was that if you figure out where your perineum, sitz bones, etc. are, you can fairly easily tell what you're putting pressure on when you're in the sadde.

I like some of the Specialized ""Body Geometry"" saddles, but I have had mixed results with them. The wide saddle that came with my commuter bike (Specialized Sirrus) works well with the upright riding stance of that bike. The narrower BG road saddle on my weekend bike was not so good. I looked around and ended up getting a 143mm width Specialized ""Alias"" saddle (it comes in different widths, ideally you get ""fitted"" by sitting on a measuring pad that tells you how wide your sitz bones are). It is a pretty clean saddle that makes good contact with my sitz bones when not in aero position. I use it with shorts that have either no chamois or thin triathlon-style chamois.

BTW, the article doesn't really go into it, but from other stuff I've read bicycle fit and riding stance are also important. I've got a shorter stem on order that I'm hoping will help in the drops and using aero bars.

BTW, if you're concerned about it, you can also change your training to shorter, faster rides; you spend less time in the saddle, and less of your weight on the saddle."

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Bob Shay (not verified)
Noseless saddle and bicycle fit...

This is info I found on an internet search. FYI only.

After reading the article you'll want to click on the link in the article about how to get the best fit.

The article essentially says that one seat type doesn't work for everyone and that you need to experiment being aware of body pressure points on the seat when riding.

I've tried a bunch of different seats including the Specialized. My choice of seat is a Koobi Enduro AU -, although I will try a noseless saddle.

Below are the two manufacturers that I have found that offer a noseless saddle.

Bi-Saddle noseless saddle - It is very heavy - 2lbs. Website has good visuals on bone structure and how the bones sit on the seat. Not around as long as Hobson.

Hobson noseless seat - Very little information on weight, etc. He will have a new lightweight product - 10oz - hitting the market in Dec/Jan. His original products weigh almost two pounds.

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Concerned parent (not verified)
Follow the nose

"The article recommends a ""noseless"" saddle to avoid erectile disfunction. Has anyone every ridden on one of these?"

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markshelby (not verified)
BTW, Not Just a Guy Thing

"With the research and media bias one gets the impression that this is a guy thing, but not so:

""In women, Dr. Goldstein said, the same arteries and nerves engorge the clitoris during sexual intercourse. Women cyclists have not been studied as much, he added, but they probably suffer the same injuries.""

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chick (not verified)

"""In women, Dr. Goldstein said, the same arteries and nerves engorge the clitoris during sexual intercourse. Women cyclists have not been studied as much, he added, but they probably suffer the same injuries.""

Suffer? Injuries? This is the most ridiculous sentence I've ever read in a news article. Dr. Goldstein clearly has not studied women AT ALL."

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dude (not verified)

"""Women cyclists have not been studied as much...""

Ah, I've finally found my life's calling.

I wonder how fast can I get an MD/PhD and start applying for grants."

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Steven Marks (not verified)

Every couple of years newspaper reporters in need of news go back to this story. All the fancy saddles are not necessary. If your bike fits, your saddle angle is adjusted, your saddle is the right width for your sit bones AND YOU STAND ONCE IN A WHILE to keep circulation, you should have no problem.

There have been many more articles finding no coorelation between ED and cycling. If anything, the quality cardio of cycling should help in that area.

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Anthony Poole (not verified)
It's all a load of bollocks!

I agree with Steven. Until relatively recently, I rode 10,000 miles a year and have successfully reproduced without recourse to medical science or intervention and have ridden on a variety of saddles, some good and bad. I, of course, am not representative of the cycling population. It is because we now have a beautiful son that I don't have the time to ride 10,000 miles a year any more.

Look at the number of cyclists in the professional peleton who have also successfully reproduced. And some of these people probably ride 100,000 miles a year - many on thin sheets of hard carbon - and would be more vulnerable to any problems than the rest of us. If it was a real problem, I am sure we would hear lots of stories of childless couples in the professional cycling peleton who are falling over themselves to adopt children. And we might even read tabloid stories about impotence ruining marriages in the peleton.

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Evan Marks (not verified)
a load of bollocks?

Clever pun or force of habit, which?


Millions of people in China ride bicycles. Seems to increase their population, not decrease it.

C'mon Rosenthal, fire off one of those letters to the editor.

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Anthony Poole (not verified)
It was both

I just couldn't resist.

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John Z (not verified)
I didn't make this up...

"""In men, a sheath in the perineum, called the Alcock's canal, contains an artery and a nerve that supply the penis with blood and sensation."""

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Rich (not verified)
Read this great paper by Bike Hab's Charlie McCorkle

"Here's a humorous, but thoughtful rebuttal to all the ""biking makes you impotent"" scare stories, given by Charlie McCorkle from Bike Habitat

There are some methodological problems with Goldstein's research, too many & too detailed to go into here.

Rich ""who bikes thousands of miles a year & also has a kid"" Conroy"

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John Z (not verified)
All the news...

Given all that can cause or contribute to impotence including, but not limited to: obesity, heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, arteriosclerosis (note many of these are linked), cigarette smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, recreational drug usage, medicinal drug usage (this list is nearly endless), hair restorers, reduced glans sensitivity due to circumcision, herbal drinks and natural aging, I find this particular rehash of previously known studies curious.

While I am hardly a conspiracy theorist, between this article and last Monday’s CBS expose “Speed Demons,” I wonder what’s going on here. I cannot believe this article is out of concern for our health, although the mere fact I actually bought a NY Times to read the article should answer my question.

IMHO, if the NY Times is really concerned about male reproductive health, then it should do a comprehensive expose on a medications, both over-the-counter and prescribed, having a negative effect on potency and the lengths drug manufacturers go to hide such information from the public.

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Anthony Poole (not verified)
Noseless saddles on roadbikes

The version of the NY Times piece I read did not have the accompanying diagrams. I only saw those yesterday after somebody had left a copy of Tuesday's paper in the recycling pile.

Having seen the diagram, I can't help thinking that a noseless saddle wouldn't work too well with a roadbike. As you lean forward to get to the handlebars, I think there is a real possibility you would fall off the saddle and crash onto the top bar, especially if you braked hard or went over a big bump or pothole, which would probably do more damage than sitting on any conventional saddle. I think the noeseless saddle would only work for an upright position on a hybrid, an old roadster or a mountain bike.

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Tony Rentschler (not verified)
Jobst Brandt's take

The nose of the saddle is used to help guide the bicycle, too, according to Jobst Brandt:

Jobst Brandt (Jul 20 2000):

> Henry Barta writes:
> With all of the discussion of bicycle saddle pressure on
> sensitive tissues, I wonder why the bicycle saddle even has a
> nose... I have never heard of any useful unction of the nose.

You might consider that the bicycle saddle has evolved over more than
100 years and that tourists and competitors have been using them to
their advantage. Your assumption is that you are discovering
something that other people have missed. Well it isn't so. Broad,
almost noseless saddles are used on self propelled lawn mowers and the
like while saddles on bicycles that are ridden aggressively are
narrow, fairly hard and have a long nose. They are narrow because one
must sit on the pelvic bone protrusions rather than on the muscles of
the buttocks that propel the bicycle. Sitting on these muscles as one
does on a chair produces a painful charley horse for lack of blood
circulation. Meanwhile the nose guides the bicycle laterally as pedal
force tries to tilt the bicycle laterally... to the side of the
descending leg, adjacent to the saddle nose.

See the complete thread here:

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Mordecai Silver (not verified)
Scary stuff
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ben (not verified)
pseudo nose

So... why not keep the nose, but just move it lower so that you are not sitting or placing weight upon it. That way you can still wedge it between your leges for riding while grabbing a waterbottle or turning. The saddle would look lik e a stepped saddle with a low nose and a high tractor-seat back. That would solve the guy's problem in the article.

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ed vroom (not verified)
ed article

I know for a fact that Pfizer has done several clinicals
on the incidence of ED caused by biking.They have found that the incidence of ED caused from biking is significantly reduced if you take Viagra prior to
spending time on a bike. I thought this was a joke when I first heard about it but when my Pfizer friend sent me
the JAMA articles I was a believer.

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rossp (not verified)

that would be interesting wearing cycling shorts.....

brings a new meaning to club member. :-)

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Paul Spraos (not verified)

"Maybe I'm being cynical, but this brings to mind the old adage that ""if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."""

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