Shoes and Clips

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Anonymous

I'd like to get shoes that I can walk in with very small clips vs my Looks.

Any thoughts on the type of shoe/clip and the best bike shop? Fall Sales?

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bill (not verified)

Mountain bike shoes have recessed cleats and treads so you can walk. You'd also need pedals to go with them.

I swear by Speedplay frogs but there are many others. Shimano SPD, Crank bros, Time Atac....

Go search the reviews at roadbikereview.com and mtbr.com.

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Christian Edstrom (not verified)

I agree with Bill. Speedplay frogs are great! I've been using them since 1995(?) and I love them.

- Christian

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Peter Storey (not verified)
Keep a full shaker of salt . . .

"next to your keyboard. roadbikereview.com and mtbr.com can be helpful, but you'll notice that -- at least in the reviews of MTB pedals -- a lot of these people have never ridden clipless pedals before and carp about everything while buying into all the market-speak.

There's also a tendency to assume that you need more ""float"" than a check-kiter and more ""mud-shedding ability"" than a successful politician. Neither is necessarily the case, especially the latter if you're putting the pedals on a road bike. The cynic in me suspects that most of the world's aggregate supply of ""float"" isn't being used to protect people's knees; it's being used to allow shops to install cleats quickly.

Personally I use single-sided SPD pedals. They have every imaginable (or imagined) defect: low float, bad mud-shedding, tricky entry (you have to kick them over) and no exotic materials. They also click in and release like silk, are utterly reliable and cost $40. I've got 4,000 miles on the cleats and see no need to replace them.

When you go shopping, take your existing shoes with you. That will allow you to compare fit side-by-side, as well as giving you a point of reference for how much (if any) stiffness you're giving up.

Peter Storey"

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Fixer (not verified)
Jobst's shoes

"If you want a recessed cleat shoe without waffle stomper lugs on the sole, choices are few and far between.

Not easy to find (Piermont Bike has 'em), but enthusiastically endorsed by the all-knowing curmudgeon Mr. Jobst Brandt is Shimano's SH-T092.


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<a href="http://www.OhReallyOreilly.com">Peter O'Reilly</a> (not verified)
JB's shoes

While I've never walked a mile in his shoes, I did learn something new. I'd figure he'd still be sportin' rat traps to accompany his down tube shifters, 36 spoke wheels, & woolie threads. :-)

Another vote here for eggbeaters (pedals).

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Mordecai Silver (not verified)
Jobst Brandt

"Jobst doesn't wear wool, he wears polypropylene: see the second paragraph in his 1997 Tour of the Alps report.

By the way, Jobst's Tour of the Alps Collection has some excellent ride reports. But one of my favorites isn't there: the Tour of the Mountains of the Moon, an epic ride if there ever was one."

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"Chainwheel" (not verified)
Jobst the modernist

"""Jobst doesn't wear wool, he wears polypropylene""

Yep, and he doesn't even use a Brooks saddle.

""Chainwheel"""

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Christian Edstrom (not verified)

And his new bike has a threadless headset!
We retrogrouches were _not_ amused.

- Christian

Wow, we almost have the makings of a Jobst fashion thread!

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"Chainwheel" (not verified)
What new bike?

"""And his new bike has a threadless headset!""

I know Jobst has spoken kindly of Threadless headsets, but I don't think he's gotten a new bike. His old bike probably hasn't got much more than 100,000 miles on it. Why would he need a new one?

""Chainwheel"""

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Christian Edstrom (not verified)

"Sorry, you're right. What Jobst has said is that his ""next"" bike will be threadless. I misread that to be his ""new"" bike.

Regards,
- Christian"

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E.T. O'Shrdlu (not verified)
Jobst's Tour of the Montains of the Moon

"I highly commend clicking on the link above this post for Jobst's Mountains of the Moon Tour.

He is a man after my own heart. Jobst, I would be happy to do the Mountains of Montenegro with you, once I get out of prison in Texas. More about this at a future date. And no, it doesn't have anything to do with George Bush. ""He who leaps to conclusions with his mouth open may discover he is swallowing flies.(Ancient Montenegrin proverb.)
Your Pal
Etoain"

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Peter Storey (not verified)
So who needs Jobst's endorsement . . . . ?

when you've got mine?

Kidding aside, I really like my T092s. But if they do not fit, you must not clip (or something like that).

Jobst also claims to like older Shimano M520 pedals, which are pretty basic, but completely functional.

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Carol (not verified)
Crank Brothers

Consider Eggbeaters - they come with small cleats, easy to walk in (with mountain bike shoes) and easy to clip in and out (four sides on the pedal).

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Brad Ensminger (not verified)
Suggested by Toga

I currently use Time Atac mountain bike pedals with Specialized Sonoma mountain bike shoes. The SPD cleat is neatly hidden so they are easy to walk in.

I would have spent 5 times the price if Toga Bikes suggested it. I'm very happy with their advice and I saved a lot.

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Patricia (not verified)
thanks and which bike shop?

Thanks for the pointers, confusing though they are. I guess my criteria is:
- easy to get into / out of
- fits into shoes I can walk in (not like a duck)
- I like the thought of having regular pedals on the other-sode so I can ride my bike in street shoes occasionally...

I'm a borderline B/C rider...so nothing really high-end is required.

...and a bike shop with selection would be....?

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ME (not verified)
Shimano or Crank Brothers

"Since you want a recessed mount cleat that leaves you with mountain bike pedals which are just as nice and usefull as road clipless pedals. You have also narrowed your choices by asking for the ability to ""safely"" wear street shoes on occasion.

The best 2 options are:

Shimano PDM324 Multi-Purpose
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=108&subcategory=1078&brand=&...

Crank Brothers Mallet Pedal
http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=108&subcategory=1078&brand=&...


You can order both of these on-line but if this is your first time using clipless pedals I would really suggest going to a bike shop you trust for initial fit/installation and follow up support.

Also, if you new to clipless and will be getting one of the pedals mentioned above it really helps to wear one street shoe and one cliped in shoe for a few rides to get comfortable with them. Then switch shoes but still only use one cliped shoe for a few more rides. When you feel that you can safely engage and dis-engage from both feet then you can move up to using both clipless shoes and pedals at the same time. This has helped many peple overcome the initial fear of being ""clipped-in"" all the time.

Hope this helps.
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bill (not verified)

>>- easy to get into / out of
- fits into shoes I can walk in (not like a duck)<<

All the mountain cleats fit those rqmts. Although I had a hard time getting out of the Atacs. They weren't for me.

>> I like the thought of having regular pedals on the other-sode so I can ride my bike in street shoes occasionally... <<

I have a pair of Shimano 545's that have big platforms you can ride without cleats. But you can also buy a simple wrench and a pair of flat pedals for $20 for when you want to go casual - which might not be that often once you get hooked.

>>...and a bike shop with selection would be....?<<

Any one of the larger ones will have a selection to choose from. Toga, Larry & Jeff, Sids, R&A... Ask if they'll exchange the pedals if you don't like them for something else. If you have odd sized feet you might have to go mail order for the shoes though. R&A had the most shoes I've ever seen in a bike store.

Coloradocyclist... & excelsports.com are both great websites and very helpful. They would even mount the cleats for you but you'd need to have a friend or local shop get the fit right.

Or you could find them on ebay... People like me change pedals like changing underwear. Although I swear I'm gonna stick with these frogs. It's been 3 years so far. The pedals not the underwear.

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Scott (not verified)
Bebops

Bebops - double sided, small profile, cleats are impervious to walking on concrete.

www.bebop.com

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Evan Marks (not verified)
BeBops

Slippery as sh*t indoors, probably not the best choice for a newbie (I've been using them for ~5 years and have them on 3 bikes right now).

I'd be inclined to vote for Frogs for someone who's never used clipless pedals before.

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mike (not verified)
bebops

bebops release both ways. toe in or toe out.
frogs release one way

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Judith Tripp (not verified)
But she has used clipless pedals . . . . .

Patricia is a current Look user. And looking for something easier to walk in.

And why, when I post a reply to Evan's post, does this not appear right after his message? What am I doing wrong?

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Evan Marks (not verified)
"reply vs ""post a new message to this thread"""

It *is* right after my message but someone replied before you. OTOH, a new message in the thread would post at the bottom of the page all the way to the left.

Back to the topic at hand - aftermarket rubber cleat covers can be had for Look cleats, making them (somewhat) easier to walk on. BeBop sidesteps the issue by pointing to the longevity of their stainless steel cleats, which of course is not the point.

I got my hands on a pair of Frogs today - the cleat is _very_ low-profile.

Those new Look Keos though...

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Judith Tripp (not verified)
Kool Covers for Look Cleats

Yes, Look cleat covers are great and I have always been very happy with them. I even took my Look pedals to Costa Rica on a mountain biking trip. I had to replace the cleat covers when I got home but they worked. I did get the impression though from our original poster that she was really looking for something different -- hopefully she has some ideas now and has not given up on us!

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mike (not verified)
sandals

mountain bike shoes with bebops are easy to walk in, lake bike sandals are real easy to walk in, and so comfortable

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Patricia (not verified)

Nope...haven't given up on you...went to Toga and browsed shoes and clips this past weekend. I appreciate the advice and options and believe me I'm listening Still hunting.

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bill (not verified)

Concentrate on shoes you like. They'll fit many diff kinds of mtb cleats.

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