I don't want to to do spinning class today. I will be at the boathouse at 8:55 this morning. By 9:06 I will be on my way, any one wishes to join, meet me at 9:00. I will do 4-6 loops in the park at whatever I pace I can maintain.
As Today's STS is off, Central Park Loops?
Sat, 02/21/2004 - 4:57am
Sat, 02/21/2004 - 5:18am
#1
eh?
So, because there isn't a group ride, you would choose to stay in the park, where the road is guaranteed to be wet.
Sat, 02/21/2004 - 8:40am
#2
Don't Rush to Judgement
Seems like Steve is looking to do what is known as a lactate threshold workout. Wet or not, Central Park, except for the runners and skaters, is a good place to perform such a workout. I do it all the time. Its a closed course with no lights; you just go as hard as you can go for 4-6 laps. Done properly, this is a highly effective method for increasing power endurance. The key is not stopping or slowing down too much, for which the park is ideal.
Sat, 02/21/2004 - 6:11pm
#3
what in the blue blazes are you talking about?
Oh, good grief, the endless pontificating! Does J.Z. really have any idea what he's talking about?
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 10:17am
#4
He's not the Pope, but....
He really does know what he is talking about, Fender Gal. J.Z. is really dedicated to his training goals, and his cycling acumen. He makes some errors from time to time, and will always apologize for them.
J.Z. could probably set up, or even take you on a lactate threshold ride. The feel would be exhillarating, and would add to a training regimen. But you have to ask nicely.
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 12:21pm
#5
What is his goal? Doubt that he is competing or racing.
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 12:18pm
#6
"No, John. What you are referring is not LT workout. Or rather, not a workout that is to build your top SPEED but your ""average"" speed. Average speed, average racer. I don't know about you but you can't sustain 6 miles at full LT on a rolling course like CP and still be able to achieve highend speed, unless you are a cat 1. You will never able to sustain top end speed because you are not giving your body to recover. Do you know how fast I can ride between the beginning of the long stretch of the slop on the westside to the 66th street? During the off season, 26 mph with my Velomax rear wheel and 29 mph with my Zipp. Last year during the in season was 32 mph. Of course, I spend 50% of the course recovering. About 24 mph during the Guggenhein museum section and, 28 mph, to the ice skating ring."
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 4:41pm
#7
caveat: arm chair quarterback here
Interesting, but if what you write is true, why haven't you broken Craig Upton's 2 lap Central Park Time Trial record (22:45)?
Rough calculations, average speed wise, that puts you very close to the record - just for a training ride and purposefully done in a less efficent manner than a full out TT in race conditions.
For the record, I'm not saying it isn't true, but it seems inconsistent to write such posting anonymously. Perhaps I'm reading too much into this, but at least to me it doesn't lend much credibility stating such and taking issue with someone anonymously - simply, that's all.
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 5:00pm
#8
Sorry, Pete, looks like you don't understand the concept of interval. :) Can't help you there.
Mon, 02/23/2004 - 6:01am
#9
the math doesn't lie
Your average 29mph* speed for doing rather _long_ intervals, including recovery time is on pace for breaking the course record. And that's doing so at a less than optimal way. Riding a full out TT (and just below or at your LT), you would surely smash that record.
And yes, I understand the concept of interval well after 20 years of cycling and competitive running experience. I still stand by my original statements.
*29 = (.5)32 + (.25)24 +(.25)28
Mon, 02/23/2004 - 8:34am
#10
Low key it, Peter, that's Victor C you're dealing with (nm)
Mon, 02/23/2004 - 12:39pm
#11
LOL
Yeah but the foolhardy's recovery speed is faster than the peloton's average speed record for the TdF. ;-)
BTW, major typeo on my part. Craig's time should be 25:45. That time is still anything but low key.
~Peter
Mon, 02/23/2004 - 1:05pm
#12
just curious (since i haven't raced in a years), what's the typical a-race lap time? how does it compare to craig's record?
:)
don
Tue, 02/24/2004 - 6:06pm
#13
"""a"" race time"
"don,
not that i ever do them, but i think ""a"" race laps fall between 12:30 and 14:00 or so. which means a smiley tt lap is about the same as a fast ""a"" lap. when's there's a pro open field in the park, i think lap times get as low as 11:00 or so (but i could be wrong)."
Wed, 02/25/2004 - 7:34am
#14
A races
Not that I ride them either but I think 11 mins is a little quick even for pros - Mengoni GP in 2002 was 7 laps in 1 hr 32 mins - c. 13-13.30mins per lap.
General guess line is - A's 13/14 mins laps - B's 14/15 min laps C's 15/16 min laps
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 7:24pm
#15
What John said was, you just go as hard as you can go for 4-6 laps. This doesn't mean that you go all and then try to drag your sorry self around the loops 4-6 in number, but rather, JUST WHAT IT SAYS: the highest speed sustainable for the whole distance, which quite obviously would be slower than the pace sustainable for half a loop, or less. In running LT workouts are run at 15K to half marathon pace, in other words the fastest you could go for and hour to an hour and 1/2. Mutatis mutandis, we arrive at John's description of an LT workout. There's more to dissect in this combination of confused nit-picking and self-glorification best left for another day.
Best,
Jeff
Sat, 02/21/2004 - 10:30am
#16
Well I did it
I rode in CP. Did roughly 5 laps. Was in no shape to hammer through the entire distance so focused on intervals. Also, the running race ensured some mandatory slow-downs. There were some wet sections but overall a good early season warm-up.
Passed up oportunities to ride with the racing teams on their Nycak training rides.
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 10:40am
#17
fendergal???
YES! John Z know does what he's talking about. Why don't you enlighten us on your training philosophy instead of posting sarcastic remearks. Better yet, why don't you go for a ride with him....maybe you'll leran something. I highly doubt that you could ever put the hammer down like John, which makes your post even more ignorant.
Sun, 02/22/2004 - 11:25am
#18
Fendergal
JZ has provided me, us with some great advice, approaches and opinions. He trains hard too. I bet he could help you shed those training wheels in a few months and have you riding like the big girls do, with 2 wheels instead of 4. :-)
BTW, if you’re gonna go anon, at least betray some wit and humor ‘neath your façade – don’tcha think!?! :-(
