If anyone has a good Nyack cue sheet with distances etc... I would appreciate it if you could email it to me. Prefered route would be about 55-65 miles with return via 501/Walnut. Thanks!
nyack cue sheet
Tue, 10/21/2003 - 5:39am
Tue, 10/21/2003 - 5:43am
#1
to Nyack, that is (nm)
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 8:05am
#2
Missing cue sheets
"This website *used* to have a complete library of cue sheets. It was one of the most attractive features of the site, IMHO.
The site's webmaster, for reasons that have not been clearly explained to my satisfaction, saw fit to take them down in the course of ""improving"" the site. I keep hearing that the cue sheets will return, but I am not aware of any expected date. Meanwhile, we have plenty of narcisscistic shots of A Riders (among them the webmaster) to awe us into admiration.
One of the continuing irritations of this website and bulletin board is that the unelected webmaster decides what goes up on the board and what comes off, all on his ownsome, and often in violation of posted policies. One thread of particular interest to me was not only removed, but its author banned from this bulletin board, according to an e-mail I received fom him. Go figure!
I believe that the NYCC Webmaster ought to be an elected position, accountable to the membership. But I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon.
So meanwhile, just to keep it simple, you can get to Nyack using this unlovely but simple route with few turns: cross the GWB, go right on Hudson Terrace, Left on Palisade Avenue, and Right again on 9W. Hang a left on Oak Tree road, a right again when you come to a little stream. (I think the road is called Feardon Avenue, but I make this turn on mental autopilot without paying attention to street names.) Anyway, this will bring you into the town of Piermont. Follow the road through Piermont and three miles later you'll be in Nyack.
For many prettier, or more challenging, but more complicated routes, pray for a less elitist attitude that currently favors pictures of A-riders on this website, but seems to relegate useful stuff like the cue sheets developed by the total membership over many years, or entertaining stuff like somebody's alleged account of his ""bicycling"" to Europe on a boat to the trash heap.
Lotsa luck. Maybe some of us ought ought to start our own club.
I welcome comment.
"
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 8:32am
#3
Next vote??
"""I believe that the NYCC Webmaster ought to be an elected position, accountable to the membership. But I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon.""
I guess it's up to the members - take a look at the motions proposed for this coming election.
If I'm not remembering incorrectly, I believe this included a motion to do exactly that. i.e. make webmaster a member of the board."
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 10:17am
#4
Club Proposals
>>I guess it's up to the members - take a look at the motions proposed for this coming election.
If I'm not remembering incorrectly, I believe this included a motion to do exactly that. i.e. make webmaster a member of the board.<<
I can't comment on this because I wasn't at whichever meeting it may have been proposed. So far, it has not been in the bulletin or (natch!) on this website. So until you made mention of it, perhaps only 30 or so club members knew about it, if there is such a proposal.
But hey, we've got great pix of people giving one another chain backrubs. What else do ya want?
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 8:11pm
#5
It's actually in the Nov 03 bulletin.......
..........but let's not go there (i.e. online access earlier etc.)
Thu, 10/23/2003 - 2:15pm
#6
Not only that
The proposal was mentioned in the June board of directors meeting minutes which apeared in the September bulletin and nominations were solicited at both the September and October general meetings in the event the proposal passes. As one can tell from the ballot, if the proposal is approved, Tim will be running unopposed.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 10:11am
#8
"Do I mean ""these""?"
Yes, I do. But they're on an NYU website, not an NYCC website. Good of you to find them.
When do our club's cue sheets go back on our club's website?
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 10:18am
#9
Club's cue sheets
The cue sheets were on Ben Goldberg's webpage even when they were linked from the NYCC site. (I don't know the reason.) The only change is that the link is now gone.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 10:37pm
#10
and how
"the ""webmaster"" position should replace the bulletin editor position. bulletin production should not fall on the board's plate.
just my two cents * 2.
:)
don
Peter wrote:
I believe that the NYCC Webmaster ought to be an elected position, accountable to the membership. But I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon."
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 10:48am
#11
HERE WE GO HERE WE GO
Peter, what hast thou done? ;-)
A sly attack on our webmaster? Narcissism?
Well, OK, my $.03 ($.02 adjusted for COLA):
1. The cues should be on NYCC's site. Why not? Your are right. Where are they?
2. But, the cues are rudimentary, with neither leg nor cum mileage. “L on X St”??? In .1 of a mile or 15 miles??? Did I miss it or should I keep looking???? Slow down. Stop. Turn around? Ask someone?? Uneasy feelings without mileage.
3. Pictures. Of A riders. Well I currently “see” some happy C cyclists grinning at me. And, don’t we all aspire to improve. Does not a C want to become a B want to become an A want to become an A+ ??? I think so. So, putting up pics of A riders represents the top of the club, what many aspire to. I mean, I like to see all pix, especially mine when it was up there for only my Mom to love. But, aside from your friends and yourself, would you rather see pix of a Cat 5 race in CP or of a mountain-top finish in the TdF? Me, TdF. And I am not even a Cat 7, haha. Narcissism? No, I rather believe it’s a natural progression, a built-in ascendancy in cycling. You cycle more, you get better, faster, stronger, endurant. Those Hillier Than Thou dudes in a recent photo are, in a sense, Hollier Than Most of Us (than ME). So, they and their photo goes up. It’s the top of the club, a serious athletic feet done by very fit amateurs (I think there are no pros??). A few years ago, I went on a TWC ride with Trudy Huttner (sp). Man, E minus riders, falling all over, riding all over, crashing. Put a pic of them up?? Naaahhhhhh. Unless you are anti-cyclist ;-)
I know ... ---- me and the bike I rode in on ;-)
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 11:06am
#12
Does self admiration know no shame?
>> Does not a C want to become a B want to become an A want to become an A+ ??? I think so. So, putting up pics of A riders represents the top of the club, what many aspire to.<<
Thank you for proving my point.
As for the cue sheets, I agree they would be improved by the addition of mileage counts. But they are still usable. And the lack of mileage counts is no reason for depriving clubmembers of their use.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 1:28pm
#13
I'm in the mood ... for lunch!
Prove your point??? What point: Fear and self-loathing and the sickness unto death???
So, did you submit a pic? Why not post a link to one?
And yes, when anyone does something beyond what he or she thought was possible, a little self- congratulatory pat on the back is healthy. Why is it wrong to strive for improvement – and to succeed? Why cannot someone share the self-realization with club-members?? It is not nor does it have to be egocentric narcissism. One can realize and express an athletic success, or any other, without forsaking humility. But to brag about lack of success, to chide A riders for becoming A riders and sharing their stories. That is self-defeating. Going from a plodding, 10 mph square-pedaler barely doing one CP lap to a C-SIG grad, and further, is a personal achievement – you should try it. (Insert “shameless flame/attack” emoticon ;-)
Have you been abused on rides? Dropped? Lost? What is wrong with going from C to B to A riding – and loving your newfound success? Isn’t that part of NYCC? Of cycling? Of life in general??? OK????
(CAUTION JP – With my luck, Peter H is Cat 1, a former USCF national gold medallist and a US Olympian!! And an NRA member!!)
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 2:50pm
#14
If you are interested...
"I have some cue sheets for:
A-19 SIG
Bear Mtn
Rockland Lake
blauvelt
So Mtn Road
Westport CT II
Darien Westport
Mamaroneck
Oyster Bay
Seaport to Southhampton (Hampton Century Challenge)
Most are *.pdf with mileage notes. Some are *.xls, and can be modified to suit.
Also, I have an indexed list of the NYCC ride sheets, and a source for those cue sheets.
If you have a place to post these, i would be pleased to email them.
btw: John, take care as you condescend to the ""plodding, 10 mph square-pedaler barely doing one CP lap"", as you may well become one, yourself, one day."
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 2:12pm
#15
Disclaimer
The views expressed in JP's original post do not reflect the opinions or attitudes of the New York Cycle Club management nor, I suspect, anything resembling a
majority of club members.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 3:50pm
#16
One thing I've always heard about...
"...from my non-A rider friends is that the club is dominated by ""A-riders"". I try to explain to them that it's not an evil plot. This is how it works: When you are involved enough in cycling to spend the amount of time and effort needed to become an A-rider, (it does not just happen), you are also more inclined to get involved in the running of the club than someone who dusts off their 3-speed once or twice a season.
Barring physical impairment, anyone who rides regularly will be able to do B-rides after a short while. If they feel a need for speed, they will soon find themselves trying an A-ride or two. It is a natural progression.
Few people I know willingly ride slower than they are able on a regular basis. If they do, their ability will decline.
As for the pictures of A-riders, I recall the webmaster asking for submissions from the membership. If the B's and C's don't submit as many it's not his fault.
Oh, IMHO cue sheets without milages for the turns are useless."
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 6:49pm
#17
...and the saddle you came in on
>> This is how it works: When you are involved enough in cycling to spend the amount of time and effort needed to become an A-rider, (it does not just happen), you are also more inclined to get involved in the running of the club than someone who dusts off their 3-speed once or twice a season<<
Seems to me you also develop an incredibly snotty attitude, as theinsulting excerpt above from among the many insulting passages in your last two posts indicates.
C Riders don't ride 3-speeds. I assume you know that. Most of us ride regularly, too You either made that statement about riding two or three times a year as a provocateur or out of complete perversity. I suspect the latter.
Different people get into cycling for different reasons. Some, like you, like to go fast. Good for you. Some of us actually enjoy going slower. We enjoy the cameraderie -- or at least the cameraderie that used to be in this club -- or the chance to get out, smell the grass and the roses, and go somewhere nice for a picnic. Or it's a chance to tour new places at a slower speed than an automobile could go, enabling us to get more out of the tour without causing traffic problems.
Speed for its own sake can be a crashing bore to some of us. I'd rather spend five hours on a bike enjoying the scenery than staring at the rear end of the rider in front of me. What's with you John? Are you a closet rectum fetishist using speed as an excuse?
The inability of some -- please note, I said *some* -- A riders like you to see any other point of view about cycling but their own is part of the self-involved and self-congratulatory attitude that many C riders see and abhor.
Most C riders I know have given up sending in pictures, because our stuff has regularly been ignored in favor of the A's. Ask the leaders of the last two C-Sigs. I've given up leading C rides for the related reasons having to do with the management of both the club and the bulletin board. I suspect many other competent C ride leaders have or are about to quit leading rides as well, if not the club. This may be why you are beginning to see fewer and fewer C rides listed — and many of the listed ones are actually led by the Five Borough Bicycle Club.
You may think it's a joke, but snotty attitudes like yours have pissed off a couple of hundred of your fellow club members. So some of us are picking up our bats and our bikes and we're going home to ride with people who have a less parochial world view.
If you want to encourage C riders to get out if we don't want to go faster, go right ahead. I suspect that over time, many of us will accept your kind invitation and take our dues and our participation elsewhere. For example, this weekend I will be riding in a no-club-members-invited ride in Contra Costa County, California -- yes, at 13 or so miles an hour -- which is why I can ride up Mount Diablo and tell you about the climate changes that accompany each switchback in the road, and the variations in wildlife at different altitudes, rather than having my experience limited to whether a rider six inches from my nose farted or not.
I have to stop now, before my sponsor in Website Posters Anonymous sends me an angry e-mail and tells me I have fallen off the wagon again. He is an A rider, and a much respected one, perhaps because he is one of the few with a considerable sense of humor. I sometimes wonder what he's doing surrounded by a pack of idiots. Or more probably, pulling them while they congratulate themselves on their incredible speed.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 8:32pm
#18
Correct me if I'm wrong...
But isn't the essence of the NYCC the rides? I can't fathom how posting photos on the website has any bearing on riding experience. Am I missing something here? As an A rider I am feeling shortchanged in not savoring the full esprit de corps of riding roughshod over the backs of the non A riders. Please elaborate on how I can savor this thing you talk about.
This is a volunteer organization. If you have an issue or a vision roll up your sleeves and jump in. Acting out on line is in indication of deeper problems that might need addressing.
As for the ride library Timothy McCarthy has been spending more time on it than you can imagine. It is a work in progress. More needs to be done. In the mean time just post destinations where you want to go. Those of us with the knowhow will help.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 6:44pm
#19
NYCC Routes Library
Email me and I will send you a database version of the new club ride library. Putting it up on the web site has proved to be a time consuming job but it is underway.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 6:45pm
#20
NYCC Routes Library
Email me and I will send you a database version of the new club ride library. Putting it up on the web site has proved to be a time consuming job but it is underway.
Wed, 10/22/2003 - 9:17pm
#21
PETER, PETER and a LAME LASKEY.
Compatriots – a bicycle is a bicycle. I respect every type and class of rider. I frequently ride and smell the flowers at 10-12 mph, solo and with friends. I’m no hotshot.
Peter- banana guy – how is anything I say condescending?? I only humorously jumped on Peter H. in defense of (pictures of) A riders. Yes, I may one day be slower – as I was at one point not too long ago. Hey, as I am now with my broken bone. (You wonder why I have time to post at length, eh?)
Peter H – just submit a pic.
Tom Laskey – I speak for myself, of course. Who in the world thinks I represent NYCC?? You are simply reacting to me. Trolling. Be careful, you might succeed. You are treating me reprehensibly. I have said nothing untoward or vulgar. I state simply that the more one cycles, especially through SIG programs and focused effort, the better one becomes. THAT IS A FACT. For some one to improve from an awkward, weaving slow rider afraid of hills and out of breath to a controlled, faster pacer and attacker of hills – but still out of breath ;-)– is an accomplishment. A goal met. Like loosing weight and saying LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE PANTS I USED TO WEAR!!! That, in and of itself is not making fun of those that need to loose weight. Just as I am not ridiculing anyone.
Why do you snidely attack me? Because of our history of conflict. Petty! Did you read what I posted.?? Think about it?? Your posts adds nothing but a dose of biased bitterness. You cannot even find the wit for a pinch of humor to balance your pointless offenses against me.
Tom, you are just sour grapes. So obvious. You are off-target, contentious, boring and humorless. If this were not a public board … well, let me say that you are not invited to Thanksgiving dinner with my family this year. Sorry, you brought this on yourself! (Insert emoticon for “attempt at humor so you will not reply and just leave JP alone.”)
I am hopeful, etc., JP
Thu, 10/23/2003 - 11:47am
#22
What kind of club are we?
"Are we pleasure seekers or fast riders?
I don't think they're mutually exclusive, and there's room for it all here.
Just joined the club last year and the pleasures abound and far outweigh anything I ever expected.
From a few laps around the park, to some C rides, then organized laps last year with Peter H, to B SIG this year, to faster Bs and yes, I hope faster yet? It's all been fun. Along the way I met ride and SIG leaders (isn't it incredible, all volunteers?)who were each in their own ways inspirational. Many discussions of how to get faster, lots of prodding up hills, etc, but never any of the ""abuse"" mentioned earlier. If I didn't care for a personality, hey that's OK.
As we get faster we don't stop smelling the roses.
But it's also fun to strive to go faster, to get better, wiser, more competent. And if striving to go faster is no longer an option (might not be too far off, given my age) well, I'll still keep riding- and leading C rides! I look forward to that too.
Lynn B
"
Thu, 10/23/2003 - 12:51pm
#23
A Calming VOR
Voice of Reason.
I don't know if you agree with my everything I say, but ditto to you Lynn.
JP
