"The August PDF was completed one week before it was posted on August 1st. I chose NOT to send it to the web for various reasons. The rides for August 1 (one) was already posted to the website - NYCC members and ride leaders were not affected. Upon one request, I even faxed the complete rides listing to a member which anyone could have requested.
I had the PDF up before the 2nd - there are NO written rules of when the PDF should be posted. The bulletin editor sets this deadline.
Some members of the NYCC think they can talk trash and get away with it. Everyone is eventually held accountable for what they say and do. I was a VOLUNTEER.
In a previous post, which Rob Kohn has quickly edited, he trashed the bulletin content and my skills while commending Tom Laskey. I find this offensive.
I thought I resigned ... why are members bothering other members with their pettiness via web especially this late at night? Shouldn't we be resting for our next ride?
Date: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:37:48 PM
This message was last updated on: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:15:22 PM
Author: rob kohn ([email protected])
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Subject: finally, the end of the whining?
well, for all the wrong reasons, it seems the overworked and underpaid (at least according her) editor has decided to step down.
the wrong reason is because she senses a slight in some way in the president's attempts to make sure the bulletin is out on time for ALL the club members. the right reasons would have been for her to admit she just didn't have the time, committment, or skills to produce a time-sensitive publication.
i'll make no comment about the copy editing, the number of brevet stories, or the layout. i'll say only this: the manner in which she chose to resign is childish and petty and only hurts the nycc members because the board now has to find a volunteer to produce the september bulletin without any advance notice.
i'll also go on record as saying i think tom laskey has done and continues to do an excelent job as president of our club. i see nothing in his emails he needs to apologize for, and i hope he doesn't.
before the ""you're so quick to complain, why don't you actually do something about it"" comments begin i was editor in 1999. so when i thought i could do a better job than my successor, i stepped up to the plate (to use don montalvo's metaphor from another thread) and did do something about it. if you feel the need to exercise your fingers in some way because of my post, why don't you contact someone on the nycc board of directors and volunteer to fill in as editor until elections?
Date: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:41:40 PM
Author: rob kohn ([email protected])
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Subject: i think you missed the now-former editor's point
the reason the pdf was late getting posted was she was busy re-working it so she could make her resignation page 2 news..."
August PDF
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"diane,
even volunteers are responsible to meet the obligations of their office. if they can't meet them, then they should publicly acknowledge that, apologize, and gracefully resign.
as i said in an email to don, there's nothing wrong with admitting you've taken on too many obligations. the problem is when you continually blame others for wanting you to deliver what you promised. you could have simply said ""i'm sorry the bulletin is late,"" but instead you attacked bill strachan personally in april when he complained about the late bulletin (thread here) and then on august 1st blamed ""former editors"" for choices which made your bulletin late in a thread where tom laskey apologized for the late bulletin and pdf for you (full thread here, your post here).
as you so succintly put it above ""Everyone is eventually held accountable for what they say and do."" which is exactly what tom and the nycc board was doing -- holding you responsible for what you said and did, by considering removing you from your position.
regarding my comments about both the bulletin content and your skills, i pulled them because the public forum wasn't the place to air my personal opinions. i thought better of it and decided to take it private. however, if you feel it necessary to show the entire nycc my opinions by re-posting them, then that's your choice. those are my opinions and i stand by them."
"and should stop posting your personal opinons to the forum - you may email me directly. I don't understand why you keep attacking me.
As far as Bill S is concerned, he had emailed me prior to his public post and had the answer to his question. He didn't need to take it to the message board - but that's Bill. I know exactly why he brought it to the forum and that's between him and me - nothing to do with the club.
You say this public forum is not the place to air your personal opinions ... then stop posting and email me directly. You never have and really don't know the situation. You are taking ""hearsay"" and misconstuing this situation.
You have NO idea what all the details are of this situation. I invite you to email me or phone me in the evening at my home (number is in previous bulletins). I think the members are getting tired of these posts.
diane"
Why is Rob Kohn picking on a volunteer?
A few weeks ago I cursed the bicycles of all those who furiously criticized me for advocating the banning of private events from Central Park when they prevent the general public from peaceful enjoyment of the park.
Evidently, all my calling upon the Montenegrin spirits that be to give you sore asses and flatten your tires has worked well beyond my wildest dreams. Now the President of the club (one of my critics) is the subject of a well-deserved controversey for playing sneak-a-boo behind the back of the bulletin editor, who has resigned in a huff (not a brand of bicycle), while others chime in, thisa-ing and thattering.
All this is, no doubt, caused by saddle soreness, which is one of the curses I called down upon your heads.
And I didn't even think to curse your computers or your behavior.
Are not the spirits of Montenegro great and powerful ones?!?!
Oh, the high muckey-mucks of the New York Psycho Club have fallen to bickering among themselves. Oh joy! Oh felicity! Oh, calloo-callay!
A few weeks ago I cursed the bicycles of all those who furiously criticized me for advocating the banning of private events from Central Park when they prevent the general public from peaceful enjoyment of the park.
Evidently, all my calling upon the Montenegrin spirits that be to give you sore asses and flatten your tires has worked well beyond my wildest dreams. Now the President of the club (one of my critics) is the subject of a well-deserved controversey for playing sneak-a-boo behind the back of the bulletin editor, who has resigned in a huff (not a brand of bicycle), while others chime in, thisa-ing and thattering.
All this is, no doubt, caused by saddle soreness, which is one of the curses I called down upon your heads.
And I didn't even think to curse your computers or your behavior.
Are not the spirits of Montenegro great and powerful ones?!?!
Oh, the high muckey-mucks of the New York Psycho Club have fallen to bickering among themselves. Oh joy! Oh felicity! Oh, calloo-callay!
I am afraid. Very afraid. The gods are angry with me, despite my neutrality on the issue that gave rise to your curse.
No one can hear me scream on 9W as I get so many flats for no reason at all. My gears front and back skip. Brake pads rub. Handlebars and spokes loosen. My HRM tells me I am forever in the red zone, even as I only mount my bike. The saddle burns, cleats stick and my perspiration feels like acid. My bar tape lasts only 50 miles. My gloves wither within one hour
I bow towards Nyack 3 times a day, I burn Powerbars in sacrifice every evening. I pray to Lord Merckx. I flagellate myself with the many expired tubes from my flats. And still, there is no relief. I make my pilgrimage to Bear Mt. … all to no avail.
Please, for the love of Madonna Del Ghisallo, please rid me of this curse, I beg thee. Save meeeeee.
"If you have not attacked me, there is no need to fear me. Simply do not ride with those who have attacked me and you are exempt from the curse.
To quote an old folk saying from my country: ""Lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas. By lie down with licentious harpies instead and wake up only with crabs."""
"If you have not attacked me, there is no need to fear me. Simply do not ride with those who have attacked me and you are exempt from the curse.
To quote an old folk saying from my country: ""Lie down with dogs and wake up with fleas. But lie down with licentious harpies instead and wake up only with crabs."""
"Hi,
After viewing the classic film, ""The Wild Bunch,"" I come to you in peace, as a fellow cyclist.
Yes, I am a friend to both sides of the ugly situation, swarming with ants and scorpions.
I'm a Roman Catholic cyclist and a humble ""B-SIG"" graduate. I like to lead ""C"" rides and write articles for the Bulletin. I have a secret life marshalling bike events, riding centuries, double centuries & some brevets.
I wish a sacred reprieve from your curse. I have not said anything bad towards you. Would it help if I wore a Bell ""Ghisallo"" helmet (Tyler Hamilton wore one in the Tour de France)? Sorry, I can't afford to go to Italy to see the Madonna del Ghisallo...
Or should I lead less bike rides? I acknowledge your power. Please forgive those who disrespected you, for they do not mean it in cyberspace. Let us have peace.
Alfredo"
"No no no, my friend, the Curse of Etoain Shrdlu does not apply to you. It applies only to those who brutally excoriated me in the course of defending Chase Manhattan Bank and the New York Road Runner's club against the taxpaying public.
I do not recall that you did this, Alfredo, so you are exempt. However, since I have your attention, please allow me to register a mild complaint about those 5-Boro Bicycle Club rides you sometimes run.
The drop-and-sweep method? Yicch! It penalizes those who keep up with the leader, deprives the leader of any notion of where his pack is, and provides no encouragement for the slowest goers to go a trifle faster for the sake of the group.
However, my biggest complaint is that the 5-Boro-ists insist on stopping at every fruit stand, historical marker, ancient shack, supermarket, ice cream stand, museum and fortress wall on the planet.
The last time I went out with you guys, I left home at 8 in the morning and didn't get home until 8 at night. Total distance covered: about 35 miles.
There is an old Montenegrin folk saying, ""He who goes slower sees more, but he who sees everything doesn't go at all.""
While I believe the meaning of this folk saying has more to do with constipation than bicycling, it nevertheless seems to apply here."
"Amusing, isn't it?
The Powers That Be go to such lengths to clean up the board (try posting under the names ""Grinch"" or ""Victor Chan"" and see what happens), yet look who's hanging out their soiled chamois for all to see?
Hug, Kisses and Many Happy Miles,
U-know-hoo"
"Yes, ""The Powers That Be"" deleted my posts as well."
"This latest spat over the editorship of the Bulletin corroborates Mr. Shrdlu's suggestion the club could better be called the ""New York Psycho Club.""
However, this petty tiff should not be blown up into grounds for doing away with a printed ""Bulletin."" Although I would rather be awarded the custody of a sack of fleas than be awarded a year's editorship of the ""Bulletin,"" I feel it is worthwhile to have a paper journal, and that the production values of the ""Bulletin"" have declined.
Yes, the ""Bulletin"" needs to go on press timely and needs to get through fullfillment timely, but it also needs to be easier to read. Frankly, the color of the page is too dark, and my aged eyes are having trouble with the body copy as it is composed. If it means going back to older production methods, we should go back. But I'm sure that won't be needed. What is needed is a new look—a lighter page, more legible copy, clearer headers. It can be done without raising the page count or the mailing cost, which is more important.
Turning the ""Bulletin"" into a committe ef fort will only make a bad situation worse. Six people working on a rag that can be whipped into shap e by one is a sure-fire formula for disaster. Don't turn the ""Bulletin"" into a daisy chain!
BTW, ""etaoin shrdlu"" is what came out when you ran your fin ger across the top two rows of the keyboard of a hot-metal Lintoype machine. (The letters on the keyb o ard were arranged in the order of frequency of use in English text.) Now I need to go take my Geritol..."
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