That link is on the order of 200 miles ending in NJ. It doesn't have any time on NJ Turnpike but it is quite the long ride. I thought my Philly via Jersey Shore ride was long at 145 miles, this really meanders all over the place.

there's nothing particularly scenic about the NJ Turnpike; I wouldn't care to ride it even with a police escort. The Garden State Parkway, though, with a police escort could be good. I wouldn't care to bike to Jersey City. Either get on the PATH at Newark or take the extra miles to the GWB.

Indeed we should take offence when people crash rides or advocate some mode of disingenous behavior. It's unethical and sleazy.

However, in this case the invitation was specific and unambiguous. We were told very clearly by one of the leaders that people were invited to come along without paying. They would just not be entitled to SAG support.

I had extensive conversations with the ride leader about this. Furthermore, the ride leader was hardly unaware that one rider was tagging along wihout paying. There were only 7 riders setting out from the Philly Art Museum, and our leader was completely aware of the situation (having invited it in the first place, and having been introduced to our tag-along friend).

So normally I would share your indignation. However, if you have an ethical issue here, perhaps you should take this up with your club leaders and decide among yourselves what invitations you wish to extend to others. It's not Arvi's fault that your club leaders explicitly said it was permissible for him to ride along.

Furthermore, while having this discussion about ethics, perhaps you should also revisit the notion of taking cyclists on the NJ Turnpike during the Philly-NY ride. I have serious doubts about the ethicality of leading cyclists onto highways riddled with potholes and debris, where drivers are hurtling by at 80mph, without so much as a diminutive shoulder to separate us from vehicles.

One of the cyclists asked me if it was even legal. I told him I doubted it was, but then again I wasn't a lawyer. I am however a psychologist and told him that cycling on the debris-strewn, maniacally-driven Turnpike was, on the other hand, certifiably insane and moronic.

Clearly you have much to discuss with your club.

JP

I'm not sure why you decided to dig up this thread from six months ago, but I'm glad Jerry posted the missing details in a polite way.

I rode with the very small group doing the full Philly museum - Brooklyn route (ending a few blocks from my apt). As Jerry explained, Art Elwood said since I was not using any of the BCP services (i.e. bus and showers), I shouldn't pay the fee and was welcome to ride along. I did my part by taking turns at the front of the paceline, buying water/snacks, and helping more than one of your club's riders change flats.

I understand you've had a problem with riders from your own club 'riding bandit' and expecting a seat home on the bus like all the paying riders. That's obviously uncool, but not what I did, and it's unpleasant and unproductive for you to post threats and accusations in the absence of the facts of the case.

I have to say that overall, the BCP was very welcoming and friendly and the ride last year felt like a positive exchange between the two clubs from the perspective of those of us on the long ride.

I took a different route there, beginning with the ferry from Wall Street to Sandy Hook, riding through Turkey Swamp, Allentown NJ, and Bordentown, then ending at the Liberty Bell.

About 96mi total, and pretty scenic and quiet, except for the final run into Philly. Would ride it again, w a few tweaks. Happy to share the map/cue w anyone who wants it.